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Deitra Vess
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Posted - 2015.06.08 14:49:45 -
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Diana Kim wrote:I would like to receive a capsuleer named "Vizage" for questioning regarding one of two following crimes:
1) Assistance or executing of serial murders of Caldari and Amarr young capsuleers in their quarters that happened about 1 year ago;
and/or
2) High treason and spreading of Gallente propaganda.
How exactly is she spreading propaganda? She pointed out your killing of Gallantes to show up some serial killer. Is it also propaganda to say that I sought you out to fight you for what you did? Propaganda is one thing, pointing out a fact is another. And exactly what proof do you have to accuseher of playing any part in those killings? |
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Posted - 2015.06.08 15:10:31 -
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Unrelated, ya I fully agree, but I don't see what facts were twisted. Your perceived motivation maybe? But that's her opinion like my opinion of those events falls relatively linear to hers. |
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Posted - 2015.06.08 18:11:05 -
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Hmm, ya I see your point. My bad... |
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Posted - 2015.06.08 20:29:59 -
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Vizage wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Unrelated, ya I fully agree, but I don't see what facts were twisted. Your perceived motivation maybe? But that's her opinion like my opinion of those events falls relatively linear to hers. Right so I'm going to take the time to reply to you Ms. Vess but this will likely be the last time I post in this specific thread, as I made a promise a while back I would never engage Ms. Kim again, and give her another soapbox to preach her vileness from. The point Deitra is that it is very much relevant what I said. Remember, this is a warcriminal asking a judicial body to try other warcriminals. That was the point of my post. To remind everyone of the pure hypocrisy this entire thread entails. By claiming to see her point you are essentially saying that her crimes, though equally heinous, caught on film, and proudly posted by herself less than a year ago are somehow worth overlooking. That the lives she took don't merit the same justice as the lives she demands justice for. It is... Simply put, disgusting. That's the point. I hope that clarifies things. -K. Amsel P.s. How convenient for charges against me to suddenly and quite miraculously crop up in Ms. Kim's favour the moment she has her character put into question. I will undoubtedly put in as much time as these heinous claims merit to prove my innocence. That is to say, I won't waste a single breath.
Really I see your point too. I see why she took offense, don't really understand how she couldn't see such things being brought up, and well, knowing her general logic see how she would instantly try to turn the tables on this "personal attack." You don't have to be clairvoyant to see it coming a km away. I see how almost laughable someone looks to call someone else's hands dirty when they can't even take the time to wash the blood off their own. The message is nice when you get down to it, fighting war crimes, the mouth piece, not so much. |
Deitra Vess
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Posted - 2015.06.11 01:05:32 -
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With all due respect Kim, have you looked at who exactly your defending? How many harbor similar feelings as Jen, as Vizage, ect? Your even after a duel with Pieter. Think about it, who exactly are you defending? |
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Posted - 2015.06.11 04:51:56 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:With all due respect Kim, have you looked at who exactly your defending? How many harbor similar feelings as Jen, as Vizage, ect? Your even after a duel with Pieter. Think about it, who exactly are you defending? The last vestiges of her pride I imagine. Her behavior strikes me as that of a person who can't acknowledge that she may have been wrong.
true, I guess. |
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Posted - 2015.06.15 16:33:41 -
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Miyamoto Takedi wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:You know, I've always felt competitions about who is the most Caldari are best done in a holo-show format. Where contestants must seek to overcome a variety of the most honourable challenges and obstacles at the risk of grievous bodily harm in order to win fame and the people's ovation forever.
Losers drink the Tea. Or vodka. Whatever works. I remember seeing a short lived Nugoeihuvi production that worked along these lines... it's name was in an old dialect, so direct translation is difficult, the word had several nuanced meanings, usually contextual, but there was no context, just a single word title. it was one of the below: maybe there's some old holovids or repeats on one of the more niche baseliner channels Resistance Determination Endurance Stoicism anyway, the first time I saw it I will admit to wondering if the contestants were criminals working off part of their sentence.
Why does that sound so familiar to me? |
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:55:12 -
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*gets popcorn*
Go on.... |
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Posted - 2015.06.23 00:05:41 -
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Isn't Pyre a Caldari mercenary outfit? |
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Posted - 2015.06.23 15:01:46 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Isn't Pyre a Caldari mercenary outfit? Currently they are serving Empire. Besides, mercenary actually serve the money, that's where their loyalty belongs to. They don't have home, they don't have anything dear to protect. Only some of them are Caldari, or, should I say, were Caldari... by blood. Of course, there are mercenaries even in the State, who can be called Caldari mercenaries. But they serve only Caldari corporations. Otherwise they wouldn't be Caldari.
They are serving the Empire, your ally. Thus they are serving the money of your ally. The well being of your ally positively effects your own efforts does it not? Maybe its some cultural difference but that does not seem like a good reason to ostracize them. In the end it seems to positively effect your own efforts.
If it is the fact that they are not all Caldari then let me ask: Hypothetically speaking if I had some change of heart, left Scope Works, withdrew from the Amarr/Minmatar warzone, decided that I wanted to try to be a State citizen, tried for employment with Kaalakiota before enlisting In the State Protectorate and subsequently formed a mercenary corporation with like minded individuals, mainly Sebiestor, would it still in your eyes be seen as a Matari corporation? Would I be seen as a loyal Caldari citizen after disavowing my own culture to take on yours?
Please note I'm not trying to defend Pyre. I shoot at them and they shoot at me. I'm just curious as to what you would consider a loyal Caldari corporation and to what extent that goes to. Also if it is not apparent I have no clue as to how to go about trying to be a Caldari citizen. Its just not something I have ever really had a reason to look into so excuse me if I got that wrong on how to become one if its even really possible. |
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Posted - 2015.06.23 18:04:16 -
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well, at least I kinda got it. I would imagine if your an affiliate of Kalaakiola there would be something going back to your mother megacorporation right? Not asking what, still there is some connection financially or otherwise right? I've always kinda assumed something aside from loyalty still bound you to them. |
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Posted - 2015.06.24 12:35:38 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Traitor is always a traitor, Ms. Vess, even if you betrayed your culture to join us. You might earn somehow citizenship, I don't know how, but I think we both can agree, that attitude of State citizens towards this matari corporation (I mean real citizens, not IGS pretenders) will be far from ideal and from your expectations. Sorry.
Well can't say I don't agree with that sentiment, though I'm a little surprised even proving your loyalty doesn't count for much.
Diana Kim wrote: Living in the State, serving the State, being the official State corporation or State's corporation affiliate. Oh, and of course having loyal to the State law abiding CEO and law abiding corporation members.
For some reason I thought there would be more to it. That's really just understandable requirements.
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Deitra Vess
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Posted - 2015.06.24 12:41:41 -
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Trenmir Bedala wrote:
I say this only because I care, there many decaffeinated brands of tea that just as tasty and refreshing as the regular kind. If you like I can deliver you some liberated from CBD Convoy....
I'm pretty sure her switching from caffeinated tea to decaffeinated wouldn't do much, nor would switching from caffeinated tea to seditives. Its pretty clear she's quite the driven individual...
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